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have to go to harold brown under carter and was a multilateralist, looked to use the pentagon as a place to negotiate arms reduction treaties. it was a different type of defense strategy, it was, by the way, controversial at the time. but the point to hagel, joy, is we're talking about someone who objectionable comments aside or not, someone who would be a change agent, and why won't the president fight for that? >> his only objectionable comment was his comment on the gay community. >> how long ago? >> bill clinton signed, you know -- >> clinton, who progressives like. >> it was a very different time in gay rights. >> and the issue on israel, what did he say, he's not a senator from israel? have we gotten to the point you can't say that? he's a republican, we're not going to agree with everything he says. >> he was against sanctions in iran. there's a real difference in iran policy, but look again, it's a symbolic fight between neoconservatives and people who hate neoconservatives and they are itching to fight each other and he's become the fight. obama made the decision, oba
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